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Scores for October 15, 2011

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BOA St. Louis Prelims

 

CLASS A

1st place: Jackson Academy, MS

2nd place: Monticello H.S., IL

3rd place: Odessa H.S., MO

 

Music: Jackson Academy, MS

Visual: Jackson Academy, MS

GE: Jackson Academy, MS

 

CLASS AA

1st place: Marian Catholic H.S., IL

2nd place: Irondale H.S., MN

3rd place: Webb City H.S., MO

 

Music: Marian Catholic H.S., IL

Visual: Marian Catholic H.S., IL

GE: Marian Catholic H.S., IL

 

CLASS AAA

1st place: Rosemount H.S., MN

2nd place: Lindbergh H.S., MO

3rd place: Bellevue West H.S., NE

 

Music: Birdville H.S., TX

Visual: Rosemount H.S., MN

GE: Rosemount H.S., MN

 

CLASS AAAA

1st place: Broken Arrow H.S., OK

2nd place: Union H.S., OK

3rd place: Owasso H.S., OK

 

Music: Broken Arrow H.S., OK

Visual: Broken Arrow H.S., OK

GE: Broken Arrow H.S., OK

 

Finalists coming up...

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Finalists:

Marian Catholic H.S., IL

Irondale H.S., MN

Broken Arrow H.S., OK

Union H.S., OK

Bellevue West H.S., NE

William Mason H.S., OH

Lindbergh H.S., MO

Kickapoo H.S., MO

Blue Springs H.S., MO

Jenks H.S., OK

Owasso H.S., OK

Lake Park H.S., IL

Rosemount H.S., MN

O'Fallon Township H.S., IL

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Times are posted for MO Finals as follows

 

Finals Schedule

 

7:15 - Broken Arrow H.S., OK

7:30 - Bellevue West H.S., NE

7:45 - O'Fallon Township H.S., IL

8:00 - Lindbergh H.S., MO

8:15 - Union H.S., OK

8:30 - William Mason H.S., OH

8:45 - Owasso H.S., OK

9:00 - Marian Catholic H.S., IL

9:15 - Kickapoo H.S., MO

9:30 - Lake Park H.S., IL

9:45 - Blue Springs H.S., MO

10:00 - Jenks H.S., OK

10:15 - Irondale H.S., MN

10:30 - Rosemount H.S., MN

10:45 - Class A Exhibition: Jackson Academy, MS

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Saw the preliminaries yesterday in STL.  Union HS got a standing ovation, and Irondale looked good, too.  The bands that competed after 5:00 last night - it was like they were on a different planet from most of the bands before 5:00 as well as the bands usually seen here in eastern Illinois.  Unfortunately, cost prohibited me from going back for today's show.

 

The economics, time, manpower, and sheer cost of putting together shows of the type required to contend at BOA competitions just don't exist in Illinois outside of the Chicago and St. Louis suburbs.

 

Good luck to the finalists!  Enjoy the opportunity to compete at such a high level - most band kids don't get that kind of shot.

 

 

 

 

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The economics, time, manpower, and sheer cost of putting together shows of the type required to contend at BOA competitions just don't exist in Illinois outside of the Chicago and St. Louis suburbs.

It doesn't exist ANYWHERE in the country outside of the major metro areas. You look at each state's powerhouse bands, and they're all from the suburbs of a major metro area: Ayala (Los Angeles), L.D. Bell (Dallas), Tarpon Springs (Tampa), Kennesaw Mountain (Atlanta), Broken Arrow (Tulsa), Avon (Indianapolis), West Genesee (Syracuse), etc.

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Newton recap:

 

Class A

Outstanding Auxiliary--Bement

Outstanding Percussion--Casey-Westfield

Outstanding Drum Major--Oblong

 

First Place--Casey-Westfield

Second Place--Bement

Third Place--Lawrenceville

 

Class AA

Outstanding Auxiliary--Salem

Outstanding Percussion--Robinson

Outstanding Drum Major--Salem

 

First Place--Robinson

Second Place--Carterville

Third Place--Vandalia

 

Class AAA

Outstanding Auxiliary--Champaign Central

Outstanding Percussion--Champaign Central

Outstanding Drum Major--Champaign Central

 

First Place--Highland

Second Place--Champaign Central

Third Place--Charleston

 

Miss Domineck Crowd Appeal Award--Highland

Grand Champion--Highland

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St Louis, MO Finals Results

 

14. 70.8 - O'Fallon

13. 71.9 - Lake Park

12. 72.1 - Kickapoo

11. 72.15 - Lindbergh

10. 72.5 - Jenks

9. 73.4 - Bellevue West

8. 75.2 - Irondale

7. 76.35 - Blue Springs

6. 77.05 - Rosemount

5. 79.75 - William Mason

4. 81.95 - Marian Catholic

3. 82.45 - Owasso

2. 82.45 - Union

1. 86.45 - Broken Arrow

 

Music - Broken Arrow

Visual - Broken Arrow

General Effect - Broken Arrow

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Akron, OH regional scores (which have now been changed 3 times on BOA's site.) 

 

80.50 - Fort Mill H.S., SC

77.60 - Centerville H.S., OH

76.40 - McEachern H.S., GA

74.80 - Norwin H.S., PA

74.05 - Dublin Coffman H.S., OH

71.10 - Lake Orion H.S., MI

69.70 - Fayette County H.S., GA

68.05 - Milford H.S., OH

65.80 - Cary Senior H.S., NC

65.70 - Brunswick H.S., OH

 

Outstanding Music Performance - Fort Mill H.S., SC

Outstanding Visual Performance - Fort Mill H.S., SC

Outstanding General Effect - Fort Mill H.S., SC

 

 

Prelims:

 

 

Class A

1st - Norton H.S., OH

2nd - Crestwood H.S., OH

 

Outstanding Music Performance - Norton H.S., OH

Outstanding Visual Performance - Crestwood H.S., OH

Outstanding General Effect - Norton H.S., OH

 

Class AA

1st - Fort Mill H.S., SC

2nd - Fayette County H.S., GA

3rd - New Philadelphia H.S., OH

 

Outstanding Music Performance - Fort Mill H.S., SC

Outstanding Visual Performance - Fort Mill H.S., SC

Outstanding General Effect - Fort Mill H.S., SC

 

Class AAA

1st - McEachern H.S., GA

2nd - Norwin H.S., PA

3rd - Dublin Coffman H.S., OH

 

Outstanding Music Performance - McEachern H.S., GA

Outstanding Visual Performance - McEachern H.S., GA

Outstanding General Effect - McEachern H.S., GA

 

Class AAAA

1st - Centerville H.S., OH

2nd - Lake Orion H.S., MI

3rd - Brunswick H.S., OH

 

Outstanding Music Performance - Centerville H.S., OH

Outstanding Visual Performance - Centerville H.S., OH

Outstanding General Effect - Centerville H.S., OH

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The economics, time, manpower, and sheer cost of putting together shows of the type required to contend at BOA competitions just don't exist in Illinois outside of the Chicago and St. Louis suburbs.

 

 

I'd agree, except for one thing: Morton.  2008 Finalist here, and a GN Semifinalist last year. 

 

I hate saying this, but for the most part, Illinois is way behind the curve in show design, with a few exceptions.

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Effingham Scores:

 

Class A

Atwood-Hammond 58.00 (DM, Music)

Casey-Westfield 55.05 (Perc)

Georgetown-Ridge Farm 53.45 (Aux)

Oblong 51.65

 

Class AA

Sullivan 61.30 (Aux, Music)

Watseka 59.15 (DM, Perc)

Carlyle 55.25

Johnston City 52.20

 

Class AAA

Newton 77.00 (DM, Perc, Aux, Music)

Carterville 66.45

Paris 65.90

Vandalia 64.05

Unity 63.95

East Richland 52.15

 

Class AAAA

Mahomet-Seymour 84.45 (Aux)

Washington 82.60 (Music)

Champaign Central 80.10 (DM)

Highland 79.20

Marion 71.80 (Perc)

Centralia 66.90

 

Class AAAAA

Belleville West 78.15 (DM, Perc, Aux, Music)

Niles West 75.70

Danville 69.10

 

GRAND CHAMPION

Mahomet-Seymour

 

 

 

Mod edit: Attached the recap.

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St Louis, MO Finals Results

 

13. 71.9 - Lake Park

:o

 

This extrapolates out to a GN Prelims score of only ~79. Might Lake Park miss GN Semis for the first time ever this year?

 

Can you explain your extrapolation? Scores can vary week to week, let alone month to month. Still, I might agree with your final statement, but only because of the vehicle that the students have been given (unless it's been drastically overhauled in the last few weeks). But, the students know how to work hard and clean, so that might make up for it.

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St Louis, MO Finals Results

 

13. 71.9 - Lake Park

:o

 

This extrapolates out to a GN Prelims score of only ~79. Might Lake Park miss GN Semis for the first time ever this year?

 

Can you explain your extrapolation? Scores can vary week to week, let alone month to month. Still, I might agree with your final statement, but only because of the vehicle that the students have been given (unless it's been drastically overhauled in the last few weeks). But, the students know how to work hard and clean, so that might make up for it.

I keep BOA rankings. Granted, it's an imprecise science, but BOA scoring tends to be pretty consistent from week to week, year to year. I will adjust the "factor" for the entire show if bands seem to be uniformly low or high.

 

For example... The factor I ended up calculating for the 2011 St. Louis Regional was 0.91; thus, the scores at the regional should be roughly 91% of what the band would score at GN Prelims. Taking Broken Arrow: 86.45 / 0.91 = 95.00, and considering they've scored 96.40 and 94.45 at the past two GN Finals, this is a reasonable extrapolation (with a standard deviation of 0.50 points).

 

So, for Lake Park: 71.90 / 0.91 = 79.01. Granted, scores in the bottom third at any regional's Finals tend to be lower than Prelims, so I'll have to see what LP got in prelims. But if it's close to what they scored in Finals, they'll have to work hard to top 80 or 81 at GN Prelims. There's the off chance that it will "click", their scoring will take off in the last part of the season, and they will end up quite a bit higher. But that usually only happens to a couple of bands each year out of the ~650 BOA Bands in my Excel spreadsheet.

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The economics, time, manpower, and sheer cost of putting together shows of the type required to contend at BOA competitions just don't exist in Illinois outside of the Chicago and St. Louis suburbs.

 

 

I'd agree, except for one thing: Morton.  2008 Finalist here, and a GN Semifinalist last year. 

 

I hate saying this, but for the most part, Illinois is way behind the curve in show design, with a few exceptions.

There are always exceptions, and Morton is one of them. Reeths-Puffer (MI) and Wando (SC) would be two others I'd considered, because Muskegon and Charleston are pretty small metro areas (and Wando's way on the outskirts of Charleston, at that).

 

Still, I'd say 95%+ of the bands that make GN Semis in a given year are from the suburbs of a major metro area, and 99%+ of the GN Finalist bands are.

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Newton scores:

 

Class A

462.00 Casey-Westfield (Percussion)

438.00 Bement (Auxiliary)

432.00 Lawrenceville (Music)

419.50 Oblong (DM)

398.00 Carlyle

 

Class AA

551.00 Robinson (Music, Percussion)

533.00 Carterville

532.50 Vandalia

522.50 Salem (DM, Auxiliary)

522.00 East Richland

508.50 Mt. Carmel

 

Class AAA

608.50 Highland (Music)

604.00 Champaign Central (Percussion, Auxiliary, DM)

534.00 Charleston

504.00 Centralia

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The economics, time, manpower, and sheer cost of putting together shows of the type required to contend at BOA competitions just don't exist in Illinois outside of the Chicago and St. Louis suburbs.

 

 

I'd agree, except for one thing: Morton.  2008 Finalist here, and a GN Semifinalist last year. 

 

I hate saying this, but for the most part, Illinois is way behind the curve in show design, with a few exceptions.

 

I unfortunately have to agree.  =(  I took this statement too far a couple of years ago and said IL marching band was bad.  It's not bad, just not BOA semis caliper, again, with a few exceptions...

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Quincy scores:

 

Small Schools

1) 675.5 Unity (Mendon) (Auxiliary)

2) 649 Mark Twain, MO (Percussion)

 

Mid-Size Schools

900 Clark County, MO (Percussion, Auxiliary)

726 Rushville-Industry

723 El Paso Gridley

671 Quincy Notre Dame

 

Medium Schools

1023 Mt. Pleasant, IA (Percussion, Auxiliary)

866 Fort Madison, IA

822.5 Illini West

744 Pleasant Plains

 

Large Schools

961.25 Troy Buchanan, MO

914 Hillsboro, MO (Percussion, Auxiliary)

856.25 Hannibal, MO

798 Jacksonville

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The economics, time, manpower, and sheer cost of putting together shows of the type required to contend at BOA competitions just don't exist in Illinois outside of the Chicago and St. Louis suburbs.

It doesn't exist ANYWHERE in the country outside of the major metro areas. You look at each state's powerhouse bands, and they're all from the suburbs of a major metro area: Ayala (Los Angeles), L.D. Bell (Dallas), Tarpon Springs (Tampa), Kennesaw Mountain (Atlanta), Broken Arrow (Tulsa), Avon (Indianapolis), West Genesee (Syracuse), etc.

 

Anywhere?!  While there are many great programs in and near metro areas there are many great programs that DO thrive and do very well away from these metro areas.  Just go to an ISSMA Regional or Semi-State event in Indiana and you'll see they DO exist outside metro areas. 

 

Yes, resources are always a factor...but MOST people tend to use it as an excuse or crutch when really it comes down the the level/quality of the education being given to the students. 

 

The sad truth is that many directors just are not providing the education needed to be successful.  You can go to almost any show and witness poor execution of music and movement.  This comes down to the education process in most cases. 

 

If you want to talk about show design...the director has to provide a show that fits the students.  You don't have to have some 'crazy out there' show concept or try to change/push the activity to have success.  In fact, programs that try this with out basic fundamentals of their instruments or of movement typically will have less success.

 

Of course the amount of resources can make every situation easier, but if a director doesn't know how to use them, it wont make a difference.  When the level of education across the board is higher, then we can have a more serious/valid discussion about economics, etc.

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Prelims Scores:

88.30 Broken Arrow, OK

86.05 Union, OK

86.05 Owasso, OK (tie broken by GE score).

85.65 William Mason, OK

84.20 Marian Catholic, IL

83.15 Rosemount, MN

83.05 Blue Springs, OK

81.00 O'Fallon, IL

80.00 Lindbergh, MO

78.35 Kickapoo, MO

78.20 Irondale, MN

77.65 Jenks, OK

75.50 Lake Park, IL

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75.05 Birdville, TX

74.55 Webb City, MO

74.45 Liberty, CO

73.35 Eastview, MN

73.20 Eden Prairie, MN

72.80 Van Buren, AR

72.30 Oakville, MO

72.20 Jackson Academy, MS

72.00 Blue Valley, KS

71.50 Collierville, TN

71.30 Wentzville Holt, MO

71.30 Blue Valley West, KS (tie broken by GE)

71.00 Roosevelt, SD

70.60 Clinton, MS

70.30 Edmond North, OK

70.05 Camdenton, MO

70.00 Rockwood Summit, MO

68.85 Romeoville, IL

68.65 Rock Bridge, MO

67.25 Bartlesville, OK

66.60 Lincoln-Way North, IL

66.40 Lake Hamilton, AR

65.90 Westmoore, OK

64.60 Belleville East, IL

64.55 Greenwood, KY

63.90 Edwardsville, IL

63.65 Monticello, IL

61.95 Dunlap, IL

61.20 Fort Zumwalt South, MO

60.60 Champaign Centennial, IL

60.50 Parkway South, MO

60.05 Park Hill South, MO

59.65 Parkway Central, MO

59.60 Parkway West, MO

58.55 Lincoln Community, IL

57.10 Odessa, MO

51.95 Reidland, KY

 

 

 

 

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A couple quick observations:

- Lake Park did indeed just squeeze their way into finals (by .45)

- O'Fallon scored and placed much higher in prelims - any explanations from those that were there?

- Lincolnway North didn't score or place as nearly as high as I would have expected - any explanations from those that were there?

 

 

Prelims Scores:

88.30 Broken Arrow, OK

86.05 Union, OK

86.05 Owasso, OK (tie broken by GE score).

85.65 William Mason, OK

84.20 Marian Catholic, IL

83.15 Rosemount, MN

83.05 Blue Springs, OK

81.00 O'Fallon, IL

80.00 Lindbergh, MO

78.35 Kickapoo, MO

78.20 Irondale, MN

77.65 Jenks, OK

75.50 Lake Park, IL

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75.05 Birdville, TX

74.55 Webb City, MO

74.45 Liberty, CO

73.35 Eastview, MN

73.20 Eden Prairie, MN

72.80 Van Buren, AR

72.30 Oakville, MO

72.20 Jackson Academy, MS

72.00 Blue Valley, KS

71.50 Collierville, TN

71.30 Wentzville Holt, MO

71.30 Blue Valley West, KS (tie broken by GE)

71.00 Roosevelt, SD

70.60 Clinton, MS

70.30 Edmond North, OK

70.05 Camdenton, MO

70.00 Rockwood Summit, MO

68.85 Romeoville, IL

68.65 Rock Bridge, MO

67.25 Bartlesville, OK

66.60 Lincoln-Way North, IL

66.40 Lake Hamilton, AR

65.90 Westmoore, OK

64.60 Belleville East, IL

64.55 Greenwood, KY

63.90 Edwardsville, IL

63.65 Monticello, IL

61.95 Dunlap, IL

61.20 Fort Zumwalt South, MO

60.60 Champaign Centennial, IL

60.50 Parkway South, MO

60.05 Park Hill South, MO

59.65 Parkway Central, MO

59.60 Parkway West, MO

58.55 Lincoln Community, IL

57.10 Odessa, MO

51.95 Reidland, KY

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