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  1. Favorite 2013 shows/moments

    I haven't seen many shows yet, but I've heard several people say that Rock Island's show is enjoyable, and I thought Dunlap has an enjoyable show as well.
  2. 2009 ILMarching Bands of the Year

    I totally agree. O'fallon is an excellent band.....would have expected to see them higher on that poll.
  3. 2009 ILMarching Bands of the Year

    I would guess some votes were made before Grand Nats happened....might have changed a few minds.
  4. Marian band article

    So...you view the fact that Limestone has invested $70,000 (which I've not been able to find a link for anywhere, not saying it isn't true, but saying I don't know if that number is accurate) in a program that is: A) Curricular Technology-based (which is all the rage, and many times reimbursed by the state or by grants that can be applied for all over the state) is an indication that they then also have $40,000 a year to spend on a marching band program? Per year? If you view that as a "hole" in my argument, then you don't know much about public schools. Technology and curricular instruction will ALWAYS be funded more than fine arts. ALWAYS. Maybe things are different at private schools. robes- I think you are missing the point I was trying to make. Try the paragraph that starts out: "Now Limestone's band is rising...." Or more specifically the second sentence.I'm afraid the paragraph you are referring to just isn't an accurate depiction of how most schools seem to work. I know of a number of programs that have become very successful without much money, or an increase in funding over the years, and the schools still want to take more money away from those successful programs. At most high schools, the band can be very successful, but they will never spend as much money per child in band, as they do the athletics. This is sad because this is tax payer money and should be spent fairly and evenly. Also, music will create a stronger academic environment....sports do not. If schools want better test scores, even out the spending between athletics and music and the arts. I'm confident that it would be money better spent. Basically, most administrations don't really care if the band is competitive or successful...they just want a pep band at halftime (only referring to Illinois, I know other states do care about the success of the marching and all music programs)
  5. 2009 ILMarching Bands of the Year

    What difference does it make who voted at this point? For the most part the results seem reasonable. Sure everybody might have a slightly different opinion, but that is why 22 people voted.
  6. Marian band article

    Just want to mention that the bolded part describes EXACTLY Marian circa 1981 or so. Who's to say what Limestone is or isn't capable of over the next decade or so? Best of luck to them and all programs in IL -- there's no telling what combination of school, director, approach, and luck will produce the next "advantaged" powerhouse. I honestly don't know why I am doing this today. It is seems to be neverending. Here is the staff from Limestone's own website: Band Director Assistant Band Director Colorguard person 2 Drumline people 2 Woodwinds people 2 Low Brass people That would be 9 total "staff". For 110 kids that doesn't sound too too bad numberwise. Mind you, I don't know who these people are or if they do this as volunteers or teachers of other subjects in the school. What I do know is these people are not sitting around staring at each other as evidenced by they way their band looked and sounded. All I am trying to get across to you is that it seems most of the bands out there have a "staff" so I don't see how you think Marian has any kind of advantage because they have a "staff" too. I never said we were some pauper band. I just said I think you would be surprised at how much they do with the "resources" that they have and I don't think you have a realistic understanding of what they are. Just alot of speculation and "I heard this" kind of stuff. For the recruiting that you like to keep mentioning I really don't understand it. Let's see Mr. Bimm goes into peoples kitchen and sits down with the families to discuss the possibility of going to Marian to play in the band. In the NCAA I've heard of coaches giving their prospects things like cars. That wouldn't work here because the kid is only 13 or 14. I know he offers them 2 Science credits and one English credit to come to the school and play for the band. Sounds pretty goofy, doesn't it? But that is what you are suggesting. Actually I don't know that I have ever heard of any coach/director doing any kind of recruiting like that for high school. College yes, but high school?? I'm sure if I'm wrong about that you will let me know. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, these staff people are not necessarily there for the season. I believe some of these people are primarily there for band camp, and the occasional rehearsal. They aren't there for daily rehearsals, and not even all evening rehearsals. To me that is one way Limestone is probably different than Marian.
  7. 2009 Bands of America Grand Nationals Schedule

    Good point....you cannot really compare scores from day to day anyway with 2 totally different panels of judges.
  8. is dan posting a review of isu

    What does that even mean?My sentiments exactly....
  9. ISU 2009

    I'm aware. It's still a testament to their program, no? No would ever debate the quality of how that band can play. They are one of the best concert programs in the state, but it isn't a good comparison in marching band when it is a standstill...it means little.
  10. ISU 2009

    How about them beating three ISU finalists at Prospect? It was a standstill....
  11. Scores for 10/24

    Despite any disagreements I may have with any given result, I cannot disagree that you do it for the feeling...not a score or trophy.
  12. Scores for 10/24

    There are some rules...but it depends on the contest. Also it is usually up to the timing and penalties judge to allow a parent to help if there is an issue.
  13. Scores for 10/24

    Wow I would really with this to happen. Would it stop the arguments, the why did or why didn'ts, it should haves, etc. I think not. There's always going to be something to argue about but that is the beauty of this board. Anyway, this idea would really be awesome if it would ever happen. Talk about ... surprise, surprise, surprise!!!!I'm pretty sure this will never happen. The reasons why have been discussed before....even if not everyone agrees with them.
  14. Scores for 10/24

    same for me.... and I'm sad to hear Morton scored so low.I wouldn't worry about that to much...they showed where they belonged in finals. The prelims scoring had some clear inflation...but watching those 12 in finals it is a fair comparison.
  15. Scores for 10/24

    I think you are missing the point of what some posters are trying to say. In prelims Morton very well may have been behind DGS....however, based on their finals placement they demonstrated that they should have been a top 10 in the first place. Basically, they think had Morton performed in a 5A or 6A time slot they would have been top 10 in prelims and none of us would be having this conversation. I would have to completely agree with this sentiment. This doesn't take away from what DGS or anybody else did in prelims. It just shows some of the flaws in how the contest is set up from a logistics standpoint. 1A through 3A are at a disadvantage in general. We don't have a climate controlled environment like the dome for Indiana State Finals. So when you try to judge throughout a day across classes when the weather was vastly better for all the 4A-6A bands, it is almost impossible to compare. The judges try to take that into account, but it can be difficult. For the record, I do think DGS should have been one of the finalists. This is also why I think some states don't do a judge across all the classes sort of contest. I personally like it here at ISU. It is fun to pit the big schools agains the smaller etc. If you just judge across 1 class at a time to award a class title however, the conditions are going to be reasonably similar for those groups. Basically, I don't think those who "beat" said earlier bands can read to much into it, but enjoy that particular result for what it is. However, the finals results should make some people do a double take as to the number management throughout the day. Essentially....if a group late in the day was a top ten ahead of DGS and then say Morton beat that band in Finals, it suggests where DGS might have fallen had they also been in finals...just a thought. For the record, I think DGS should have made finals.
  16. ISU 2009

    I honestly cannot believe you just made that statement.....I'm actually going to try to extend the proverbial olive branch here by positively spinning Ahelge's comments: I'm thinking what he meant was that by getting beat so badly at ISU, the Dunlap band focused and worked on their show so they could have a better performance at U of I, not that he was suggesting the results at U of I were in any way grounded in reality. I'd say that 2A and 3A are almost 99% locks. Limestone is a good program, but the gap between Limestone and Marian Catholic will probably be about the same as the gap between Morton and whomever is 2nd in 2A. If I was forced to bet $10,000 on any class winner, these would be the two I'd consider....easy money. I'd say next easiest would be 6A...Lake Park is probably a 70% lock. There's some quality bands in that class, though... 4A would be next, in my opinion. I'd say this class odds are 50% LWN, 35% Bloomington, 15% UT. 1A would be next, 60% Eureka, 40% IVC. As far as I'm concerned, 5A could be a toss-up. 50% LWE, 50% Prospect. If I was betting money, those would be the odds I'd give. Maybe I should do that....marching band bookie!! I'm in...great idea
  17. ISU 2009

    I'd say Dunlap should first have the goal of not getting 17 pointed by Morton, like they did last year at ISU. Baby steps. I think we responded well from that at U of I last year.I honestly cannot believe you just made that statement.....
  18. ISU 2009

    The color guard and percussion sections should be working to be apart of the entire package...not an entity of its own within a production. I would think and hope that the goal would be to produce success for the entire marching band, not just one section. These two sections are already judged in more then one caption. You dont have "best clarinets" or "outstanding trombones." Good music and visual judges will be making apropos comments about all sections. Need or want specialized feedback on your percussion or color guard...hire a clinician or participate in the indoor portion of these activities.You are missing a very key part of this activity...education. Percussion as a whole has a vast array of tecniques and large variety of instrumentation. It's far more to it then slamming sticks into a head. I really don't feel that it's right to adjudicate a line based on balance within the ensemble alone. Which is what is going to happen. now that should be a part equation but there is far more to a good drumline then that. A good drumline also executes their book both musically and rythmically. Has an understanding and displays the proper technique orthe instrument they are playing. And executes a challenging book. That's a good drumline. I'm sorry but I can't see a panel of judges that are going to be off the field accuratly scoring a drumline. Especially if there isn't someone qualified to make percussion comments on the panel. These drumlines have been scored a certain way all year and now it's going to be changed? It's a little bogus if ask me. They should have just axed the captions. That's more or less what they did. The score will have zero merit and the tapes will have zero constructive comments to help improve the kids as performers There is just to much going on from a technique level to accuratly score these captions. I'm going to say it right now the drumlines will be placed in relatively the exact order of the music scores are and are going to be directly related to the size of the hornline because it has a better chance of balancing. The drumlines aren't going to be "placed" this year. They will effect the score via the percussion caption on the individual music sheet, as well as by their contribution to the entire musical performance on the music ensemble sheet. They are approaching the show a little more like BOA. Just Music, Visual, and GE caption awards. If they were still giving a percussion caption award, but not using a separate judge for it, I would be annoyed as well.
  19. ISU 2009

    Would Prospect count as newcomer? This is just their second year (I think).This is their second year after about a fifteen year hiatus My prediction: The state title will come back to Illinois What does that even mean?
  20. Who wins 4A at ISU?

    I would say that LWN has been getting over scored as of late, but they are a reasonable strong lock for winning this class.
  21. ISU 2009

    I'll be honest. I don't usually comment on predictions too much because they are just predictions. However, your numbers and spreads don't make much sense based on what has been going on this season. Please note that I'm not really taking issue with the bands you are picking, but the crazy high scores, and huge distances between groups that were close all season long. For instance. VJA and Morton have been close each meeting. In fact, if I recall the results correctly, Morton gained a little ground each time they met up. Now however, VJA is 8 points ahead of Morton. That is a huge spread...and then there is DGS that you have 5 points ahead of Morton, and NN for that matter. I know VJA and DGS have improved, but everyone has. Those spreads are saying that groups went from comparable to no comparison in a couple weeks.... So....here is what I think. The highest score will be about 86, if they are actually paying attention to the scoring rubrics. The scoring spread from 10th to 1st should be about a 73 to an 86, with most of the 9th through 5 scores being within 4 points....then a jump of a few points to the 4th place score. Something like this: 1. 86 2. 84 3. 83 4. 82 5. 79 6. 78 7. 77 8. 76.5 9. 75 10. 73 11. 65 Just my 2 cents....
  22. Scores for 10/17

    Plently of bands have slipped out of finals for a year and then come back strong. If not getting in to finals time is that destructive, I think there are bigger issues to worry about in the band program. Not that they don't have to right to be upset, but it should only make you more motivated the next year.
  23. Scores for 10/17

    That comparison cannot be made. It is a different panel of judges, and the bands are not being judges across all the classes during the day.
  24. Shows for 10/17

    This is interesting, and I pretty much think this is a possible finals line up. No O'fallon not on this list is a little strange with their early season results at 1 BOA regional and being right with Blue Springs at another competition. Although, at this level of competition, who knows what will happen. The groups that are in the mid to upper 70's are almost interchangeable depending on the day and judging panel!