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  1. Marian band article

    I may be naive, but I would think that plenty of top-level educators would be salivating to take over after Mr. Bimm. Plus, with such a large and supportive group of alumni and band parents, I would think the school would want to continue the success of the program. Again, that may be naive, but I think that's probably a likely scenario when it happens.I think I would have to agree. I think I am the only one who keeps saying it is about more than just the money. I have no idea what Mr. Bimm's salary is, nor do I really care. I think we all can agree that the salaries at Private Catholic High Schools are lower when compared to their public counterparts. I have never heard of anyone going into teaching at a Catholic school for the money. Actually I have heard the opposite, the teachers leave the private schools to teach at public schools because the money is so much better. That being said, it has to be something else that keeps them there and I would hope that it would be the same something that would allow them continued sucess when Mr. Bimm does decide to retire (which hopefully isn't anytime soon).
  2. Marian band article

    It is an excerise in futility to do these comparisons. The programs are too different. I started out on this thread trying to point out where robes was wrong in his argument (mainly the recruiting thing) and this has kind of morphed into something way different. For the money issue, of course it takes money to do this activity. Never said it didn't. Here is a question for all those, robes especially, who think money is the main factor. I will use robes' example of Limestone (even though I really don't like comparing one band to another). If Limestone were to suddenly find $10million in their budget for band, would they suddenly be "the one to beat", the new powerhouse in Illinois next year? Why or why not? Your answer to that will show you what I have been saying all along. It is not just the money. There has to be and is something else to it. What has been said about Mr. Bimm and the competition aspect is true. In the 4 years that I have been around the program I have never once heard anything different from him. He is not doing this to "win".
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    Well robes it will be interesting to hear what you have to say about Scouter2's post. It seems marching band is not extra curricular as you claimed and they do have band class for credit. Same as Marian by the way. Do you think the band kids have to choose between band and TV production? Affluent area that Marian is in. We already discussed that ad nauseum I thought, so I won't add to that. Eight feeder schools for Limestone. Didn't know that. Not to take anything away from Limestone and the fantastic job he seems to be doing but I don't know how many "feeder" schools Mr. Bimm has to contend with but I am quite sure it is more than 8. And the first thing they start with is maching basics and the music. Sounds like a similar approach. Robes, here is yet another Limestone person who disagrees with you about the money issue. Keep in mind Limestone was your example not mine.
  4. Marian band article

    robes- I think you are missing the point I was trying to make. Try the paragraph that starts out: "Now Limestone's band is rising...." Or more specifically the second sentence.I'm afraid the paragraph you are referring to just isn't an accurate depiction of how most schools seem to work. I know of a number of programs that have become very successful without much money, or an increase in funding over the years, and the schools still want to take more money away from those successful programs. At most high schools, the band can be very successful, but they will never spend as much money per child in band, as they do the athletics. This is sad because this is tax payer money and should be spent fairly and evenly. Also, music will create a stronger academic environment....sports do not. If schools want better test scores, even out the spending between athletics and music and the arts. I'm confident that it would be money better spent. Basically, most administrations don't really care if the band is competitive or successful...they just want a pep band at halftime (only referring to Illinois, I know other states do care about the success of the marching and all music programs) I feel like I missed something again not having the opportunity to look at this this weekend. Anyway. My point with this was not to say that all bands might work this way. I'm sure they don't. That quote is from someone who I am taking as being from Limestone or someone who knows a great deal about their program. Which is quite the opposite of what robes has been saying about it and I'm not sure where robes is getting the information he has. I'm afraid that google searches are limiting in the information you are able to get. Curricular vs. noncurricular. We can discuss that in a bit. It is just I am afraid that I am limited in my time this week so I may not be able to respond as quickly as I would like. To everyone: Try and limit the personal attacks. They won't get you anywhere, besides make you look like a small minded fool.
  5. Marian band article

    robes-have a great weekend. we can continue entertaining gordon gekko on Monday as I doubt I will have time to do this over the weekend
  6. Marian band article

    Well ropes it seems like I don't get to poke the holes all by myself. It sounds like Uber_panda may be from Limestone and taking what Uber has said into consideration it seems to me that your argument might be out of order. Meaning that the money isn't what is needed first but comes after the success and support. Seems they can find the money if they get the success and support first. Now I am not saying that this is true in all cases. Limestone afterall was your example. Hmm....very interesting. Here is to hoping Limestone does great things in the future!! So...you view the fact that Limestone has invested $70,000 (which I've not been able to find a link for anywhere, not saying it isn't true, but saying I don't know if that number is accurate) in a program that is: A) Curricular Technology-based (which is all the rage, and many times reimbursed by the state or by grants that can be applied for all over the state) is an indication that they then also have $40,000 a year to spend on a marching band program? Per year? If you view that as a "hole" in my argument, then you don't know much about public schools. Technology and curricular instruction will ALWAYS be funded more than fine arts. ALWAYS. Maybe things are different at private schools. robes- I think you are missing the point I was trying to make. Try the paragraph that starts out: "Now Limestone's band is rising...." Or more specifically the second sentence.
  7. Marian band article

    And what exactly is a corn fed kid? Is that supposed to be good or bad? All us Midwestern hicks who live on farms and eat corn all the time are corn fed kids. Personally I make fun of people from Iowa for their corn more than Illinois...then again why would I stereotype my own state? Fun fact: Dining halls at U of Iowa serve corn 3 meals a day as well as serving it as a condiment. (I kindly remind my friend who attends school there of this frequently) Oh I get it, farmer jokes. Guess us goofy city folks are just slow to the farm humor. Next question, How is corn a condiment? Is that like corn sauce? and what does one put it on?
  8. Marian band article

    You are not embarrassing yourself. I do have a question for you though. If you are a student what are you doing up at 2am posting to this forum on a school night? Alright, I'm kidding. Your band looked great when I saw them at ISU. And what exactly is a corn fed kid? Is that supposed to be good or bad?
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    You are right that this is a no win situation. Do I think marian is over-priced. It is not cheap but if I felt overpriced was the right word I'm not sure I would want to do it. Was really more of an acedemic choice than economic if you know what I mean. For admittance does attending a Catholic grade school help? I would tend to think there is a little more flexibility if you did. My son didn't attend a Catholic grade school but did very well on on the entrance exams, so it wasn't an issue for us. Not going to go on what I have heard from others, just my personal experience. I know that having siblings in the school matters and helps at admission time. I do not know if they take boarderline qualifying students to enhance their programs, I don't know if you are given the opportunity to plead your case or not. Not saying it does or does not happen. I don't know. You raise an inteesting point. If the tuition is so high to benefit the band because they are successful does that mean the 5 out of 6 students who are not in the band are somehow cheated? The south suburbs are not lined with Mcmansions but I don't think they quite are as bad as you are portraying them to be either. There are towns I definitely would not want to live in but there are some that are just your average working class towns. And certainly more affordable than many other north and west burbs. Not to pick on Naperville but I work with someone who lives there and while their house is nice, it is no Mcmansion either and they pay over 12 grand a year in property taxes to Dupage county. That is more than my Marian tuition bill. I'm still waiting for an answer from robes on my last post about what uber_panda said. I would be interested to hear it and unfortunately don't have anymore time to play on here tonight. I looked at all the posts that happened between 5 last night and 9 this morning. You all have been very busy. Economic statistics and all. Your comparisons like you noted are a little flawed because you don't know the average family income of the school involved and as noted that would be a little difficult to get at best. Not sure what the point of all that was. Happy to keep you entertained
  11. Marian band article

    Well ropes it seems like I don't get to poke the holes all by myself. It sounds like Uber_panda may be from Limestone and taking what Uber has said into consideration it seems to me that your argument might be out of order. Meaning that the money isn't what is needed first but comes after the success and support. Seems they can find the money if they get the success and support first. Now I am not saying that this is true in all cases. Limestone afterall was your example. Hmm....very interesting. Here is to hoping Limestone does great things in the future!!
  12. Marian band article

    Thanks for the quick update, Liam. Like I said I'm a bit behind on my reading here. You all have been very busy since yesterday 5:00ish.
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    robes-In case you were wondering I haven't forgotten about you. Just a little preoccuied. Since you like to play google I have something for you to do. Part 1 Get the tuition for any other private high school. Chicagoland area would be best for cost of living purposes but I'll let you choose and we can make any needed adjustments. Part 2 Because you seem to keep ducking this question, I'll ask yet again. Since you claim that Marian is a successful as they are due to resources, take the school you choose in part one and tell us about their band and its success story. I could be wrong but I'm going to guess the resources are about similar. I am a bit busy today so if I don't get back to you right away don't worry, I will as time allows. I still haven't been able to read all that has been posted above yet.
  14. Marian band article

    I see you didn't answer the question though - other than a joke. No one in the suburbs really wants to share how much they pay per year to be in band. I guess until we are proven right or wrong we can just speculate. 2 of those Winterguard staffers are on staff with Cavaliers - so I'm sure they are making a pretty penny. Uh oh - Robes and I are agreeing........... It is not that I'm not willing to give you an answer it is more I thought finances were taboo topic for the boards and I was respecting that.
  15. Marian band article

    I do know what I know about Marian through people who have told me about it. I trust those people, and frankly, find them a bit more credible than a parent (who has a vested interest in the program) who didn't even know that they have band during the day at Marian. Now who is being silly. I don't think I said I didn't know about band during the day during the period the kids have band class. Like what we said before, nobody thinks that is an uncommon thing to happen at other schools too. Maybe wrong maybe right. You just seem to think it is all day. I'll tell you what, I'll give you the parctice schedule for a typical week in the fall. Ready. They have sectionals 2 days a week for 1-1 1/2 hours after school. Days are up to section leader I think but it is generally Tues and Thursday. They have full band rehersal on Wed night from 6-8:30 or 9 and then on Saturdays it just depends sometimes half a day sometimes a little longer. Let's not forget the band period during the weekdays. 1 period out of 7during the day. Oops. Let out the secret schedule. The rest of the time those 50 staff members just sit around and drink coffee I think. Vested Interest?? Hmm....avid supporter absolutely!! Of course I want to see my son succeed in whatever he does and I think it is great that they do so well. Who wouldn't?? Not exactly sure I would choose "vested interest" as a way to describe it. That implies I get something out of it. Unless of course we are talking about that million dollar bill to pay I'm not sure what I would get out of it. What, bragging rights?? I don't think you have ever heard a Marian parent do that, ever. Or at the very least I would be surprised if you say you did. We seem to deal with the success with a good deal of humility. I'm not entirely sure what your perspective is but it seems there might be some envy in there to say the least.
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